When the Open Social Web Hybridizes: Raccoon for Friendica is a new app...
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I am not sure that you would get this unless I add your user tag @macfranc ?
Yes, I'd still get it, even if you didn't mention me. The problem arises when you reply to someone who replied to me: in that case, I might not receive the notification. Unfortunately (as often happens), the fault lies with Mastodon, not Lemmy/Piefed.
It is not your fault. The entire Fediverse is still being built, and it only gets better over time.:-) The fact that Lemmy + PieFed + mBin + nodeBB can intercommunicate at all is fantastic, even though yes there are some kinks remaining to be worked out:-).
I also believe this statement. Since I've been an instance administrator (Friendica, Lemmy, NodeBB, and Mastodon Glitch-soc), I've always been concerned with how the Fediverse software integrates with each other and with spreading knowledge of the various platforms
My intention was to make light of the reasoning behind criticism of your post, while pointing out to Threadiverse users that once you get past that, the actual content is quite solid. So less “wall of text” than merely “odd-looking introduction”. It’s a good post!
Thank you for your feedback. It's somewhere between a press release and an informational post about the Fediverse. I'm only surprised because, usually, the criticisms about length come from Mastodon users, not Lemmy users...
And yeah the giant text looks weird, haha!
Usually, the problem is solved at the user interface level. BBCode and Markdown have a certain number of standard levels for titles, and it's up to the final interpreter (the interface) to manage their display based on the tool (desktop browser, mobile browser, mobile app, etc.).
Especially since at first it is a repeat of the title, but then goes into new territory after that. I do not know if there is anything that can be done about it though, except further code development on the side of all the myriad varieties of recipients of the message.
Repeating the title, on the other hand, is the best possible solution for integrating threads opened in the forumverse by microblogging users: Lemmy takes the first 200 characters of the first paragraph and converts them into a title, disabling formatting, links, and mentions. That data, however, is re-proposed at the beginning of the post text.
I understand there are some issues, but I don't see any better solution than this.I should add that, unfortunately, Mastodon's recent implementation of quoted posts has made it difficult for Lemmy to manage opening posts, because Mastodon formats posts that quote another post as:
Re: fedilinkhttps
Post textAnd therefore, the title of a Lemmy thread would become
"Re: fedilinkhttps"
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Add in Orbot/Proxy support and I'm there day 1
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Tbf, no one will,...
but still!
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@Phantaloons The idea would be very interesting. Could you explain it better? In fact, at first glance, it would seem simpler to run Orbot directly before launching the application.
Perhaps rather than adding Orbot to the application, it would be better to create a RaccoOnion fork
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If the code is Ai slop, we might could, I dunno... have some proof? Maybe? It just might help your argument avoid another goal-post move.
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Any app can be aimed at by Orbot, but if orbot goes down or loses connection, the app doesn't discriminate.
XMPP apps adopt this from Conversations, there's a setting to only listen to the proxy/orbot only.
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have some proof?
OP saying it?
the development wasn’t done with vibe coding, but was done over the course of almost two years, integrating observations and addressing issues.
But if everyone stopped to investigate every piece of slop thrown in front of them, all they'd do all day is that.
It just might help your argument avoid another goal-post move.
This isn't an argument, if you think goalposts are moving it means you still don't understand any of it.
But most importantly, I don't really give a fuck if people end up understanding. Go for it bro, slop em up, get those steaks super sloppy and slick your hair back reaaaaaal nice.
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There are so many fascinating differences in how your comment reply here shows vs. not.
Like on all of https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/70448923 and https://lemmy.world/post/48069327 and even https://piefed.zip/comment/5630582 your most recent comments here do not show up at all, despite it having been sent 2 hours ago. Though somehow your earlier comments are visible, but not your latest ones?
And yet I see them on my instance. I am not sure why, or if your tagging my username specifically helped cause that to happen for this instance but somehow no other instances.
The formatting if I ask to "view markdown source" is messed up - everything is on a single line, and some formatting indicators are missing - but the traditional, regular display mode of the message is perfect.
Interrelation between the different platforms still needs improvements, but it is encouraging to see it get better over time.:-)
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I'm still @macfranc@poliversity.it
If I remember correctly, there was a problem in Lemmy that should be fixed with the upcoming 1.0 release and has already been fixed with the latest Piefed releases. This meant that third-level comments that didn't originate from Lemmy or Piefed weren't processed correctly by the platform.
They're out now, but I should compare them with the replies appended to the original post.
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None of this would have been necessary if the platforms allowed native interoperability with a protocol that is literally designed to be interoperable.
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@p03locke interoperability makes all software equal; those that aren't, are each equal in their own way...
Jokes aside, Mastodon is the elephant in the room of interoperability in the Fediverse. -
Mastodon isn't the entirely of ActivityPub apps. Lemmy doesn't seem to work with any of the ActivityPub apps, and nobody is trying to fix that problem.
It's not a "Fediverse", if it's not federated everywhere.
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@p03locke I understand your outburst, and personally, I think it's quite well-founded. However, I remind you that the problem lies in the fact that Mastodon has chosen to implement proprietary solutions that don't follow the Activitypub standard, and that almost the entire Fediverse wants to conform to this supposed de facto standard. The fact that Lemmy adopts solutions that are different from other software, but still more in line with Activitypub, shouldn't be considered a problem.
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Mastodon isn’t the entirely of ActivityPub apps. There's also PeerTube, Pixelfed, Loops, Micro.blog, Flipboard (145M users), Misskey, and many many others.
- Lemmy barely works with PeerTube
- Lemmy doesn't work with Pixelfed
- Lemmy doesn't work with Loops
- Lemmy doesn't work with Micro.blog
- Lemmy doesn't seem work with Flipboard (though, I have no idea what the community URL would be)
- Ditto for Misskey
Is there any ActivityPub app that Lemmy is compatible with, or is it broken for all of them? Why pretend that it's part of a big Fediverse, when a vast majority of these instances are broken to us? (I'm not picking on discuss.tchncs.de, but you can plug in any Lemmy server you want and see the same kind of problems.)
The fact that Lemmy adopts solutions that are different from other software, but still more in line with Activitypub, shouldn’t be considered a problem.
You can have this stance, and be a purist about the RFCs and how the protocol is supposed to work. And you can push for these standards on your own platform for Lemmy.
But, at the end of the day, you still have to deal with the warts of other protocols and write the custom code it takes to bridge one app with another app. And then be thankful that you are not trying to bridge together an entirely different standard and are just trying to smooth over some structural differences in implementation.
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oh, a clarification: I'm still @macfranc@poliversity.it
I'm a fan of Lemmy, though I recognize that some limitations could be considered flaws (https://piefed.social/comment/11707767).
However, your perspective must take into account some design (and history) issues with the software you mentioned:
Lemmy barely works with PeerTube [discuss.tchncs.de]
It's important to understand a few concepts here:
- Lemmy is based on Activitypub groups
- A group works by "resharing" an initial post and all replies to that post
- With some programs (Mastodon's "socialverse," Misskey, Pleroma, Friendica, or Pixelfed), you can "post inside a group" only by mentioning the "group user"; with others (Lemmy/Piefed/Mbin/NodeBB's forumverse, but also Peertube, Mobilizon, or Flipboard), you simply assign a discussion to a group (you can do this easily from the interface). This second mode doesn't yet have a syntax shared by all the software in the Fediverse.
- Finally, a very important feature of Lemmy is that a post can only be published to one channel at a time. This might seem like a limitation (we'll discuss it later, when talking about Flipboard), but it's actually designed by the developers to prevent synchronous crossposting, which can dramatically increase spam.
Lemmy handles the display of Peertube content very well and correctly assigns it to the correct Peertube channel. What doesn't work well is the update system, which is why Lemmy can't act as a Peertube feed reader. This isn't Lemmy's fault, nor is it Peertube's, as each handles Activitypub groups differently.
Lemmy doesn't work with Pixelfed [discuss.tchncs.de]
That's not true. Lemmy handles Pixelfed very well. Pixelfed users can open threads on Lemmy or reply to Lemmy discussions. However, Pixelfed only shows users retweets made by Pixelfed, not those from other software. Therefore, Pixelfed users cannot access the groups.
Regarding your user, I'd like to point out that feddit.it can see it: https://feddit.it/u/NotAHopeInHades@pixelfed.socialLemmy doesn't work with Loops [discuss.tchncs.de]
Loops is still a very immature software, with very limited interoperability. I wouldn't consider it a valid test for certifying Lemmy's functionality.
Regarding your user, I'd like to point out that feddit.it can see it: https://feddit.it/u/spaceotter@loops.videoLemmy doesn't work with Micro.blog [discuss.tchncs.de]
I'm not familiar with Microblog, but (regarding your user) I'd like to point out that feddit.it can see it: https://feddit.it/u/akshay@social.learnlearn.in
Lemmy doesn't seem to work with Flipboard
Flipboard uses groups to manage the "magazines" of the "main accounts." Magazines are the thematic sections of the main account. Basically, the main account (for example, @NationalGeographic@flipboard.com) publishes a news item, and depending on the topic, it can be published in the "Science" Activitypub group (@science-NationalGeographic@flipboard.com) or the "Environment" Activitypub group (@environment-NationalGeographic@flipboard.com), OR both.
This design, intended to maximize visibility on the Mastodon audience, is incompatible with Lemmy's logic.
Lemmy, in fact, as I mentioned before, doesn't allow synchronous crossposting of the same content across multiple groups.The same goes for Misskey.
Lemmy handles Misskey very well. And Misskey handles Lemmy very well. I don't understand the problem.
