I am nonbinary, and I live in a country where nonbinary isn't legally accepted (but medically accepted, which differs from our neighbouring countries).
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I am nonbinary, and I live in a country where nonbinary isn't legally accepted (but medically accepted, which differs from our neighbouring countries). I don't want a third legal gender, like an X.
Oh, it'd be a good second best, but I want something else. Do away with legal gender altogether. It's a remnant of a time where your gender could make it forbidden to do certain things like voting or join the military or have certain jobs. Leave it in the past. No legal gender marker needed.
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"B-b-but spoooorts?! Starsloth, how will we separate people into different classes in sports?"
I dunno, I am not a sports specialist, but as a group humans can be surprisingly clever, I am sure we can find another way. Like maybe after ability? Make true top teams without caring about what genitals people have.
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@silhelm and some sports already have categories based e.g. on weight, I'm sure that other sports can find some measurable characteristic that is actually related to the performances in that sport they can use to separate people in fair-ish classes.
I'd expect a significant number of those characteristics to be statistically correlated with sex (rather than gender), but statistically correlated doesn't mean exclusive to.
And other sports may just as well find out that they don't really need those categories anyway.
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@silhelm legal gender isn't even all that old. yet more 20th century stuff humans can't hardly imagine life without.
"The British became particularly offended when, in 1914, passports demanded written details about their appearance, and soon after, a photograph. These oversimplifications of identity made travelers feel as though they were being treated like criminals, complete with descriptions or mug shots. "
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@old_angry_queer what makes "legal gender" can be debated and is probably a whole field of study, but I just read a history of the registration of inhabitants in Sweden on the Tax office webpage (they're responsible for it nowadays). In 1749 they started using pre-printed tables for filling in information about people, and the first divider is always gender (or sex, same word in Swedish). Sweden has always been census conscious, apparently, there were many attempts before this.
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@old_angry_queer Either way, I would argue that as long as gender has had a legal limitation (owning property, inheritance, marriage, voting, military service, etc & so forth), there's been a view that gender is a legal divider from the state. In Sweden I think all of these have been abolished, and the continuing register has mostly been a register of genitals (sex rather than gender), that will change later this year. The practical use of registering gender is past, it's obsolete.
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@old_angry_queer Also borders are fictional, limiting migration of a migratory species of animals (humans) is cruelty, abolish it all. But gender seems an easy starting point, at least in Sweden.
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in Italy there are two things that would be *funny* (FSVO funny) to deal with for this change
1) the tax code that is supposed to identify one individual for life encodes the gender (and the name, and other data). dealing programmatically with that tax code is already a mess, this would make it even more of a mess (I have dealt with that mess. I'm all for making it even more of a mess, it won't be much worse than it already is anyway :D )
2) the lists of eligible voters that can vote in each polling place are still divided by legal gender, because in 1946 when we had our first free election after fascism, and the first when women were allowed to vote, the lists for men were already ready, while the ones for women had to be prepared in a hurry. And 1946 was just a few years ago, so they really haven't had time to make an unified list, and doing so by hand as it would have to be done in 1946 before citizen data was into a computer would take a lot of time, I guess. (People have been asking to make a single list for quite some time now, and the sooner it happens the best it would be).
