Just finished listening to an interview with @bsky.app CTO @pfrazee.com by @mike on the @dot_social podcast.

[liaizon@wake.st]

Just finished listening to an interview with @bsky.app CTO @pfrazee.com by @mike on the @dot_social podcast. Super interesting to hear how they both attempted an explaination around categorizing bluesky as a part of the fediverse. I am personally undecided as to what bounds to take with what gets to be called the fediverse and what does not...

Creating an ATmosphere of Possibility, with Bluesky’s Paul Frazee

From the outside, Bluesky may seem like a Twitter clone. But anyone who’s close to the technology — and the team — knows that they’re building something much deeper: they’re rethinking the internet...

Flipboard PeerTube (flipboard.video)

[jmax@mastodon.social]

@liaizon @bsky.app @pfrazee.com @mike @dot_social Fuzzy boundaries are a characteristic of healthy social institutions.

[liaizon@wake.st]

@jmax @bsky.app @pfrazee.com @mike @dot_social ohhhh I like that idium

[mackuba@martianbase.net]

@liaizon Yeah, like I wrote here, I think it's probably more confusing than helpful to make the term "Fediverse" include Bluesky… https://martianbase.net/@mackuba/114484050397122882

[liaizon@wake.st]

@mackuba this gets mucly pretty fast tho. If I have 100 followers and 50 of them are from Bluesky (via a bridge like Bridgy or via something like @wafrn) where/what are the interactions happening in? "I got followers on the open social web" just feels weird to me.

[julian@community.nodebb.org]

liaizon@social.wake.st I think I need a Venn diagram for how the terms "fediverse", "open social web", "social web", "indieweb", etc. all relate to one another.

[yala@degrowth.social]

@julian
Can't we just keep saying "on the web"? To me all this is a continuation of that lineage.
@liaizon

[nelfan@mastodon.zaclys.com]

@liaizon
The Fediverse is a range of different open source softwares, all based on the #activitypub and federated by this protocol which has been designed to allow a federation of independent and totally autonomous instances with full control by their administrators. That's called "decentralisation".

@bsky.app @pfrazee.com @mike @dot_social

[nelfan@mastodon.zaclys.com]

To be part of the Fediverse, those sofwares must have been conceived in order to allow the decentralisation.
So, #Threads is not in the Fediverse.

#BlueSky may become interoperable with the Fediverse and may be considered with gentleness but it will never become a part of the Fediverse.
@bsky.app @pfrazee.com @mike @dot_social @liaizon

[liaizon@wake.st]

@Nelfan @bsky.app @pfrazee.com @mike @dot_social but you've already in a conversation right now that has participation from people across other protocols. I don't think it makes any sense to define the fediverse in terms of the protocols that it contains. If you can communicate with someone bidirectional and exchange replies and reactions/likes then you are part of the fediverse. But of course we don't actually get to decide what the fediverse "means" as usage grows

[mackuba@martianbase.net]

@julian @liaizon There isn't even one definition of those!

[nextgraph@fosstodon.org]

@julian @liaizon here it is

[julian@community.nodebb.org]

nextgraph@fosstodon.org I see, much clearer now