The history of document file formats:

[dmoonfire@polymaths.social]

@rl_dane But thanks to zip archives, I have done truly horrible things to ODT files back when I still used those. :D

[rl_dane@polymaths.social]

@dmoonfire

What do you use now?

[dmoonfire@polymaths.social]

@rl_dane Markdown with YAML headers for writing, JSON for configuration files (because I can't get my head wrapped properly around KDL), and whatever language needs the source (which also lets me push it over to a packaged system like NPM or NuGet if needed).

[amin@polymaths.social]

@dmoonfire @rl_dane

Lately I've been using TOML for configuration files.

[dmoonfire@polymaths.social]

@amin @rl_dane Yeah, I want to allow that though I don't really "enjoy" TOML. It works and works fairly well in many situations.

[amin@polymaths.social]

@dmoonfire @rl_dane

I don't really "enjoy" it either, but it does a great job and I hate it less than all the other options.

[dmoonfire@polymaths.social]

@amin @rl_dane I like the look and feel of KDL (https://kdl.dev/) but the C# and Rust developer experience isn't quite as polished.

[dmoonfire@polymaths.social]

@amin @rl_dane It isn't whitespace based :P Allows terminators, and has a decent nested structure. Plus the ability to specify specific data types and has more of a XML-like processing.

title "Bob"
character "Gary"
character "Steve" referenced=#true

[amin@polymaths.social]

@dmoonfire @rl_dane

I admit I don't really like that the languages I use now are whitespace-based.

…but if I allow myself to forget that they are, I really enjoy using them. And I'm not sure what that says.

[rl_dane@polymaths.social]

@amin @dmoonfire

function > form, I guess.

[rl_dane@polymaths.social]

@amin @dmoonfire

(But I personally much rather use punctuation than whitespace. By a parsec)

[amin@polymaths.social]

@rl_dane @dmoonfire

I mean the way I see it you've gotta use whitespace either way if you want things to be readable.

[rl_dane@polymaths.social]

@amin @dmoonfire

Absolutely, and I wouldn't even mind that much if a set amount/style of whitespace were enforced by linter or whatnot.

It's the whitespace-as-punctuation that is weird to me.

[amin@polymaths.social]

@rl_dane @dmoonfire

From a technical standpoint, line breaks certainly punctuate. ;)

[amin@polymaths.social]

@rl_dane @dmoonfire

hence poetry

[amin@polymaths.social]

@rl_dane @dmoonfire

Python is poetry. JavaScript is prose.

[steffo@a.junimo.party]

@amin @rl_dane @dmoonfire

i thought python was uv now, not poetry anymore

[rl_dane@polymaths.social]

@steffo @amin @dmoonfire

uv?

[steffo@a.junimo.party]

@rl_dane @amin @dmoonfire (see the link in the post!)

[mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org]

@steffo @amin @rl_dane @dmoonfire uv is a fucking Rust thing and unportable.

@mgorny IIRC has a better suggestion, but as I rarely do Python or py3k, I forgot which.