Woman in the train station: Oh, I don't like the US right now.
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Woman in the train station: Oh, I don't like the US right now.
Me: I keep trying to get people to stop using Facebook.
Woman: I don't use Facebook!
Me: What messaging software do you use?
Woman: WhatsApp
Me: That's Facebook.
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@celesteh yeah, people really refuse to understand these basics…
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No she actually didn't know and was keen to learn abut Signal.
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@celesteh Except #Signal is the same problems:
- Another #US #Corporation, thus subject to #CloudAct.
- Collecting #PII (#Pohnenumber!).
- Another proprietary platform.
- Another shady monetization with some #Shitcoin - #scam called #MobileCoin!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJoO2uWrX1M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DSGq9FQKU4 -
Moxie´s new villa (after his #Signal #MobileCoin scam)
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/signal-ceo-moxie-marlinspike-buys-183306625.html
But #Matrix is also not the solution:
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Well since nothing is perfect unless we all roll our own XMPP servers, the nice older lady in the train station should just keep using WhatsApp. After all what's the point of less metadata collection unless everyone who staffs and runs it is perfect? There's no point in trying to improve things for normal people.
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@celesteh @Steldamm Well, I use #XMPP+#OMEMO.exlcusively and the #Metadata-#FUD by #Signal fans is.moot given they demand #PII in the form of a #PhoneNumber and are subject to #CloudAct.
- There are simple & privacy-preserving options, like @monocles, which one can even pay for with #CashByMail and #Monero!
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Look, like you, I am a tech nerd. I've hosted fedi servers. I have a lot of websites. I'm writing a CMS for an MMPORG.
I cannot be fucked to host my own XMPP server. Nobody I know uses XMPP since the embrace extend extinguish thing happened with it. Is this fair? No. Is it true? Yes.
No normal person in a train station wants to hear about ex em pee pee.
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@celesteh @monocles @Steldamm @kkarhan my experience was that hosting an XMPP server lead pretty quickly to having friends and family use it, although there were a couple additional factors:
* family members (who are pretty normal people) got an account on that server, so they only had to install conversations on their phone
* most of our friends are of the FLOSS-nerd variety, and there are enough who are able to run their own server to provide for themselves and for the non-uploading nerds of the group, but everybody had at least some motivation, once the effort required was low
* I'm not on other chat systems (other than IRC, which I'm not going to recommend to family members :) )
